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bible says god created us.
scientific principle says - simplest explanation is usually the correct one.
Oh god how did you do it?! Did anyone in the crowd look like they were listening to bullshit?
One good thing from a talk like that is how some might talk about it after... Allowing a chance to slip in some FACTS. Not an all out debate, just point out some holes in buddy's absolutely horrible lines of reasoning.
Don't all out say creation is horse shit, just plant a little seed. A dissonance seed haha
the jws have a way of either eliminating or making miserable the things most people find to be highlights of their lives.
when i started dating my now wife, and yes i married the first person i ever dated at age 19 by the way, what should have been a great time became mostly miserable.
her parents didnt make it any easier.
JWs make dating tedious, when it should be fun. That's why many just date under the radar for a while. As soon as its official, EVERYONE is up in your business, asking when's the wedding, etc. ridiculous. My wife and I dated for 2 years before getting married. We were alone all the time together, and did many things that would make an elder blush ;). My point is it is possible for smart dubs to date while ignoring the pressures from people around them.
The couples that give in to the pressure and get married too fast, too young etc often end up with unhappy marriages. There are ways around it. Unfortunately most aren't able to think for themselves.
as a true scot, i'm deeply passionate about most things scottish, any possibly one of our small nation's most successful export is my main favourite - our single malt whisky heritage.. i'm writing this while savouring a 12 year old highland park - distilled in the orkney islands, the most northerly distillery in scotland.
it is one of my favourites - it was my late father's favourite tipple.
yet, only 500m from my house is scotlands oldest legal whisky distillery - glenturret, in crieff.
I was about to start a thread just like this, and figured this thread deserved a resurrection bump.
This very moment I am sipping from a Glencairn glass a wee dram of my current favourite malt... Aberlour A'bunadh. Batch #37. Cask strength. Damn it's good! Floral and fruity on the nose with a bit of caramel. Heavy but sweet taste with a looooooooooooooong finish. I know it's 8:00 am... Don't judge! I just came home from a night shift.
My other faves are Aberlour 12, Macallan 12,18 and 21 fine oak. Glenfarclas 25, Dalmore 12 and Oban 14.
Im not really one for the peated scotches but I'm trying to get into them... I have Lagavulin 16 and Laphroaig Quarter Cask.. They're tasty, but I can only have so much.
Do some people just like peaty scotches right away or does it take time? I feel like I'm missing out on something not loving the Islays.
i ask this of all who know ttatt and yet still attend, i am interested, when will you judge it is the right time not to go to meetings anymore ?.
a big part of me wants to say ".
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I think Mickey Mouse's post spells out why it takes some of us longer than others. The fallout can be huge, and if there is a chance of bringing out at least one loved one it is worth it to stay in as long as needed. Personally I am already playing catch up with my wife for some mistakes I've made in the past year... And if there's any hope of waking her up my quitting meetings altogether would likely squash that chance. Plus, then it's public. It will invoke the cult personality of every one of your close friends and family whenever they think of you... Not exactly ideal conditions for waking people up.
We can do so much more damage to the WT from the inside. Personally I go to about 1-2 meetings a month. I work shift work, so people just assume I'm working.
I think we'll all know when the time is right.
so once you leave, what next?
have you found anything from a spiritual standpoint that brings you happiness and satisfaction?.
have you been so scarred by the teaching that "all religions are wrong", that you can't see the truth anywhere?.
Spend some time learning about the origins of the earth and life on earth.
Then let go of religion and god! Then you can stop trying to make sense of an old story book. Written in riddles, full of myths.
i'm a born in, baptized as a young teenager, whole family is jw.
i just recently woke up after the new understanding of the fds was announced and it seemed to me to smack of power-grabbing.
i started looking at all the websites we're not supposed to, and now i know why.
I any case, remember that the non-JW you is better than the JW you. Even if you don't talk to him about it directly (DON'T), remember to keep rapport high. He will want to know where all these positive changes are coming from!
In his mind- leaving Jah= ruining your life. "There is no light outside of Jahs org" Dubs think their lives will fall apart. He will think you are "turning your back on Jah". You NEED to prove otherwise.
Prove that you aren't controlled by Satan. Be patient, and please remember that he's under mind control. He WILL react adversely. Possibly even overreact. Anything he does, no matter how drastic, will be justified in his mind if it means "helping" you. Expect the worst.
READ READ READ. Start with Steve Hassan's books, then RF's books to show holes in doctrine. The longer you can keep his guard down, the more progress you will be able to make. Almost every success story we hear on here starts with the unbeliever slowly but surely helping the other to think. The full on attack will only hurt, and put his guard up toward you.
i'm usually a cognac drinker.
i love armagnac too.
and i enjoy a martini i invented---mandarin vodka with a slight bit, usually about a capful of chambord served in an ice cold martini glass.. this saturday i'm mixing with my gf's friends and family in conn. with some affluent people and i might want to try something different.
X2 on the single malt. A good JW buddy just bought me a bottle of Macallan 21 year! Yum
im on my phone, so im really limited.
i came out to my family about my doubts and my sexuality.
shit hit the fan.
Wow... Congrats, but... Shitty deal bud.
You have no reason to be ashamed! And please try to remember to not take it too personally. You were born gay, in a JW family. Your family is just treating you this way out of their own ignorance. They choose to be ignorant.
This is a fresh start! You can now live your life, WT free. Religion free, if you so choose. When the time comes for you to have a family of your own, you can make sure they aren't so ignorant and intolerant. And for that, I congratulate you.
i have just finished an article misquotes, deception and lies and would like your comments, proof reading, and any other examples that you think are important to add.
most of these already appear on jwfacts.com within specific articles, but it is more powerful seeing them included together.
there have also been a number of requests over the years for such a collection.
THANK YOU for this!
i think with every year their are more and more newbies that identify with this site , would you like to say " hi ", if you have joined in the last 12 months ?.
does anybody have a graph of the numbers of newbies who have joined in say the last 5 years ?.
i think that would be interesting.
Hi!
